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01/21/2013 01:00 PM House RESOURCES


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 21, 2013                                                                                        
                           1:02 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Eric Feige, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Dan Saddler, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Representative Kurt Olson                                                                                                       
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                       
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Andrew Josephson                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW(S):  DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DAN SULLIVAN, Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided an overview of the Department of                                                                
Natural Resources.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JEAN DAVIS, Director                                                                                                            
Division of Support Services                                                                                                    
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Answered questions  during the  overview of                                                             
the Department of Natural Resources.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JOE BALASH, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                 
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Answered questions  during the  overview of                                                             
the Department of Natural Resources.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ED FOGELS, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                  
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Answered questions  during the  overview of                                                             
the Department of Natural Resources.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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1:02:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ERIC   FEIGE  called   the  House   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 1:02 p.m.   Representatives Olson,                                                               
Seaton, Tarr,  Tuck, Hawker, Saddler,  and Feige were  present at                                                               
the  call to  order.   Representative  P. Wilson  arrived as  the                                                               
meeting  was  in progress.    Representative  Josephson was  also                                                               
present.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW(S):  Department of Natural Resources                                                                                  
         OVERVIEW(S):  Department of Natural Resources                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
1:02:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE  announced that the  only order of  business would                                                               
be an overview of the Department of Natural Resources.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:03:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN  SULLIVAN,  Commissioner,  Department  of  Natural  Resources                                                               
(DNR), said  his presentation would  include introduction  of DNR                                                               
staff, an  update on  accomplishments of  the divisions  over the                                                               
year 2012,  and talking  about the  2013 legislative  session and                                                               
beyond [slide 2].   He related that DNR's sense  of optimism will                                                               
be evident  in the  presentation.   While Alaska  has challenges,                                                               
DNR's optimism  is based  on the  state's abundant  resources and                                                               
financial   ability  to   address  the   challenges.     He  then                                                               
highlighted  Alaska's size,  pointing out  that Alaska  is bigger                                                               
than most  countries and  bigger than the  state of  Texas [slide                                                               
4].  He said land ownership is  a huge issue, and it is important                                                               
for  the  state  to  maximize   its  opportunity  by  working  in                                                               
partnership with federal and Native land owners.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:09:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN stressed  it is  critical for  legislators                                                               
and others in the state to  realize just how huge the state's oil                                                               
and gas numbers are and that  only the surface has been scratched                                                               
[slide  5].   While the  conventional oil  and gas  estimates are                                                               
enormous, it is  also important to realize the  huge potential of                                                               
unconventional  resources,  such as  shale  oil  and hundreds  of                                                               
trillions of  cubic feet of  shale gas  and gas hydrates,  due to                                                               
new  technology.   He pointed  out  that compared  to most  large                                                               
basins,  Alaska is  relatively unexplored  which  bodes well  for                                                               
opportunity;   for  comparison,   Wyoming's   basin  has   19,000                                                               
exploration  wells  and  Texas has  250,000  [exploration  wells]                                                               
while the North  Slope only has about 500.   He added that recent                                                               
U.S. Geological  Survey estimates  of Cook  Inlet are  also quite                                                               
significant.   Furthermore,  if Alaska  was its  own country,  it                                                               
would rank  in the top  10 in  the world for  important minerals,                                                               
based  on  estimates of  [coal,  copper,  lead, gold,  zinc,  and                                                               
silver in the state] [slide 6].                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:12:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN  then  introduced the  following  division                                                               
directors of DNR [slides 7-12]:   Franci Havemeister, Division of                                                               
Agriculture;  Chris Maisch,  Division of  Forestry; Bob  Swenson,                                                               
Division  of Geological  &  Geophysical  Surveys; Brent  Goodrum,                                                               
Division of Mining, Land and  Water; Bill Barron, Division of Oil                                                               
& Gas;  Ben Ellis, Division  of Parks & Outdoor  Recreation; Jean                                                               
Davis,  Division   of  Support  Services;  Eric   Hatleberg,  Gas                                                               
Pipeline   Project   Office;   Mike  Thompson,   State   Pipeline                                                               
Coordinator  office;   and  Tom   Crafford,  Office   of  Project                                                               
Management & Permitting.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN, regarding  the  Division of  Agriculture,                                                               
said  the  department  has been  highlighting  the  Alaska  Grown                                                               
program  in  an effort  to  get  more demand-driven  agricultural                                                               
production from Alaska's  own citizens [slide 7].   Regarding the                                                               
Division  of Forestry,  he noted  that  its actions  can be  seen                                                               
through  the management  of state  forests  and the  firefighting                                                               
that  the  division  also  provides [slide  7].    Regarding  the                                                               
Division of  Geological & Geophysical  Surveys (DGGS),  he opined                                                               
that DGGS is the top state  geological survey team in the country                                                               
and pointed  out that it  is in  its second year  of implementing                                                               
the statewide  strategic and critical minerals  assessment [slide                                                               
8].                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:14:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN, regarding  the Division  of Mining,  Land                                                               
and Water,  stated this division  is in  many ways the  heart and                                                               
soul  of DNR  [slide  9].   He praised  the  division for  making                                                               
enormous  progress  on  the permitting  backlog  and  making  the                                                               
state's permitting  systems more efficient, timely,  and certain.                                                               
Regarding the  Division of  Oil &  Gas, he  said the  division is                                                               
critical to Alaska's operation and  did great work conducting two                                                               
more successful  oil and  gas lease sales  [slide 9].   Regarding                                                               
the Division  of Parks  & Outdoor Recreation,  he noted  that Mr.                                                               
Ellis has  done a great  job educating each legislator  about the                                                               
state  parks  in  each  legislator's district  [slide  10].    He                                                               
pointed  out that  Alaska has,  by  far, the  largest state  park                                                               
system in  the U.S., with one  park - Wood-Tikchik -  being twice                                                               
the  size of  Rhode Island.   Regarding  the Division  of Support                                                               
Services, he said Ms. Davis has  done a fantastic job of managing                                                               
DNR's finances [slide 10].                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:17:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FEIGE, noting  the reference  to "eRecording"  on slide                                                               
10, asked what it is.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JEAN DAVIS,  Director, Division  of Support  Services, Department                                                               
of  Natural Resources  (DNR), replied  that the  State Recorder's                                                               
Office, a part of the  Division of Support Services, has launched                                                               
"eRecording," which  will allow title companies,  banks, lawyers,                                                               
and anyone else  to record documents electronically.   In further                                                               
response, she confirmed  that this saves people  a trip downtown.                                                               
She  added  that a  test  program  has  been implemented  in  the                                                               
Anchorage recording  district, a  couple of  Anchorage's outlying                                                               
districts, and Seward to see how it works.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:18:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN,  resuming his presentation, noted  that in                                                               
addition  to divisions,  DNR has  [three] key  offices.   The Gas                                                               
Pipeline  Project  Office oversees  the  work  of licensees  with                                                               
regard  to the  Alaska Pipeline  Project (APP);  this office  has                                                               
cooperated and  worked well with  the Alaska  Gasline Development                                                               
Corporation  (AGDC)  over the  past  year.   The  State  Pipeline                                                               
Coordinator's Office  has put in  a lot of work  and coordination                                                               
with the federal  government to issue the  right-of-way lease for                                                               
the  Point  Thomson  Export  Pipeline.   The  Office  of  Project                                                               
Management & Permitting  (OPMP) is an example for  both state and                                                               
federal governments in regard to  permitting.  For large projects                                                               
the permittees  come to  the state and  OPMP coordinates  all the                                                               
permitting with  state agencies; the state  agencies are required                                                               
to be  part of  that.   Because this office  is so  effective the                                                               
federal  government has  participated in  the OPMP  meetings even                                                               
though that  participation is  not required,  a testament  to the                                                               
leadership of director Tom Crafford.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:21:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR inquired as to  whether a report is available                                                               
from the [2012] Alaska Strategic and Critical Minerals Summit.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN  responded that there is  no formal written                                                               
report  for  this  second  annual  meeting,  but  the  summit  is                                                               
something  DNR is  very proud  of and  will be  making an  annual                                                               
event in Fairbanks.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:22:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  inquired as to  whether the AGDC  project is                                                               
still  moving  forward  given the  alignment  that  has  occurred                                                               
between  the  North  Slope  producers  and  the  Alaska  Pipeline                                                               
Project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN answered that while  a lot of work needs to                                                               
be done,  significant progress was made  over the past year.   He                                                               
said he will talk more about this later in his presentation.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:23:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN reviewed key  issues that the Department of                                                               
Natural Resources  is working on  [slide 13].   He said  the most                                                               
critical near-term economic issue  facing the state is [arresting                                                               
the decline]  of throughput in  the Trans-Alaska  Pipeline System                                                               
(TAPS)  [slide  14].   Throughput  continues  to decline  despite                                                               
there clearly  being the  geology and  oil and  gas on  the North                                                               
Slope to sustain the state in  TAPS for decades if this potential                                                               
is  unlocked.   Referencing discussions  in the  legislature over                                                               
the past  few years  about "giveaway," he  offered his  view that                                                               
the ultimate giveaway is the  state continuing to lose production                                                               
each year.   For example, last year's decline  was 40,000 barrels                                                               
a day, a  6 percent decline, which equates to  about 14.5 million                                                               
barrels  that were  here last  year but  will not  be this  year.                                                               
That money is not circulating around  the state or going to state                                                               
coffers,  it  is  gone  and  that is  a  giveaway  [from]  future                                                               
generations.  The focus needs to  be on stopping this and turning                                                               
it around.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:25:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN stated  that DNR's  efforts over  the last                                                               
two years  have been focused  on the state's  comprehensive four-                                                               
part strategy to  turn around the TAPS  throughput decline [slide                                                               
15].  The  governor has laid out a goal  of 1 million barrels/day                                                               
within 10 years.  He allowed  this goal is ambitious, but pointed                                                               
out that North Dakota went  from 100,000 barrels to approximately                                                               
500,000 barrels in about 5  years, Texas has turned around, North                                                               
Sea places have turned around,  Alberta has turned around, and so                                                               
can Alaska.   The  most important  element of  Alaska's four-part                                                               
strategy is making the state  more competitive with regard to the                                                               
capital it is  competing for, and the cornerstone  of that effort                                                               
is the governor's  tax reform proposal.  The  department has also                                                               
been focused on the permitting  element of this strategy, as well                                                               
as the element  of facilitating and incentivizing  the next phase                                                               
of   North  Slope   development,   such  as   smaller  pools   of                                                               
conventional,  more  infield  drilling, Outer  Continental  Shelf                                                               
(OCS)   opportunities  in   federal  lands,   and  unconventional                                                               
opportunities.   Interest is  starting to  be seen,  he reported.                                                               
The fourth element is promoting  Alaska's resources by talking to                                                               
potential investors  and targeting  certain investors  that would                                                               
make  great companies  to come  to Alaska.   Positive  aspects of                                                               
this are starting to be seen,  but the surface is only just being                                                               
scratched.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:28:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN reported  that the  last two  lease sales,                                                               
one on  the North Slope and  one on Cook Inlet,  were very strong                                                               
[slides 16-18].   This  winter will  be another  busy exploration                                                               
season.  The department is  excited about the diversity of plays,                                                               
such  as huge  OCS plays,  smaller pool  plays, conventional  and                                                               
unconventional  oil plays.   Also  exciting is  the diversity  of                                                               
players, everything  from some  of the  biggest oil  companies in                                                               
the world to mid-size and  smaller companies.  He reiterated that                                                               
while these  plays are positive, it  is just the surface  that is                                                               
being  scratched  as  far  as   the  state's  overall  potential.                                                               
Billions and billions more in  investments on the North Slope are                                                               
needed  to turn  around the  TAPS throughput  decline.   Although                                                               
there  are challenges  in Cook  Inlet, he  said a  renaissance is                                                               
currently  occurring   there  in  terms  of   rigs,  exploration,                                                               
companies, spending,  and important developments such  as storage                                                               
[slide 19].  He  added that a lot of what  the legislature did in                                                               
2010  is really  helping  in this  area, plus  DNR  has been  out                                                               
pitching  the  Cook  Inlet  tax   and  investment  incentives  to                                                               
companies.  While the Cook Inlet  basin is not yet turned around,                                                               
a lot  of activity is now  occurring in what was  once thought to                                                               
be a dead  basin.  Top companies that focus  on mature basins are                                                               
now spending a  lot of money in Cook Inlet  and DNR will continue                                                               
its focus on that.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:31:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SADDLER  inquired about a potential  pipeline that would                                                               
be in an undersea trench from the  west side of Cook Inlet to the                                                               
Kenai River.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN deferred to Mr. Balash.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOE  BALASH, Deputy  Commissioner,  Office  of the  Commissioner,                                                               
Department  of  Natural  Resources   (DNR),  clarified  that  the                                                               
potential pipeline  is an oil line,  not a gas line.   He related                                                               
that Cook Inlet  Energy, LLC, has applied to DNR  for a right-of-                                                               
way to  move oil  from the west  side of Cook  Inlet to  the east                                                               
side where  the refinery is located  for Tesoro, as well  as some                                                               
additional opportunities  for export and deliveries.   In further                                                               
response, he  explained that at  this time it is  an application,                                                               
and thus  it will go  through the department's robust  process of                                                               
public  notice  and  opportunities  for  comment  and  review  by                                                               
multiple agencies.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:32:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE understood that Cook  Inlet Energy runs the Osprey                                                               
platform,  the  southwestern-most platform  in  Cook  Inlet.   He                                                               
asked how the company is currently getting oil off its platform.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  offered his understanding  that a pipeline  runs from                                                               
Osprey onshore  on the west  side.   From that point,  along with                                                               
some other of  the company's production that is  onshore, the oil                                                               
moves  through  the  pipeline  system down  to  the  Drift  River                                                               
Terminal that multiple  operators use for loading  and moving oil                                                               
either to  market or to the  east side.  In  further response, he                                                               
confirmed that  the [proposed]  pipeline is  brand new  pipe from                                                               
one side of the inlet to another, not the re-conditioning or re-                                                                
sleeving of an existing pipe.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:33:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON asked whether  Savant [Alaska] is a Cook                                                               
Inlet operator.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  replied that Savant  [Alaska] is the operator  of the                                                               
Badami  Field on  the North  Slope, which  is the  field furthest                                                               
east from Prudhoe Bay before reaching Point Thomson.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:34:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  recalled  talk   during  the  2012  Special                                                               
Session about  the possibility of  determining the  decline curve                                                               
and incentivizing for any production  going down TAPS above that.                                                               
He said the  6 percent decline mentioned  in today's presentation                                                               
seems really high  compared to the 3.2 and 4.2  percent that were                                                               
mentioned  last year.   He  asked  whether the  decline curve  is                                                               
automatically reducing just  from the nature of the  fields or is                                                               
more of a decline happening in the last five years.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH responded  that the decline curve for  the North Slope                                                               
is  an aggregation  of multiple  curves  from all  of the  fields                                                               
producing  there.   Some are  declining  more than  others.   The                                                               
variation  is a  reflection of  the level  of investment  that is                                                               
occurring.   While the  current tax regime  has had  some braking                                                               
effect on investment, a significant  dollar amount is still being                                                               
invested in  additional and  ongoing activity on  the slope.   He                                                               
said  the real  question  is  what that  decline  curve would  be                                                               
without investment  and assured  members that  it would  be much,                                                               
much more  than 6  percent.  Regarding  specifics of  total North                                                               
Slope production,  he said DNR  has figures that can  be detailed                                                               
per individual fields that can be provided to members.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:36:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK offered his belief  that the numbers in DNR's                                                               
2011  report were  the averages  and  that the  forecast was  for                                                               
flattening out to  3.2 percent per year on  average through 2030.                                                               
Therefore, he  reiterated, the  6 percent seems  like a  big jump                                                               
compared to  what was reported before.   He said the  report also                                                               
states that  over the last  10 years the production  decline rate                                                               
was 4.2 percent  per year on average.  He  inquired as to whether                                                               
the  6 percent  per  year is  based on  the  state's current  tax                                                               
structure.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  answered that the  basis for the  production forecast                                                               
are  numbers  generated  by  the Department  of  Revenue.    That                                                               
department works with each individual  taxpayer on a confidential                                                               
basis to understand what the  taxpayer's expectations are for the                                                               
next  decade.   The  numbers  in the  production  forecast are  a                                                               
reflection of those  estimates by the producing  companies with a                                                               
certain  degree  of  discounting/risk factoring  for  what  would                                                               
otherwise be called new production.   The state is pretty good at                                                               
identifying the level of decline  that will occur in the existing                                                               
fields  from  currently  producing  areas.    Where  the  state's                                                               
predictions have been historically off  by a lot is in estimating                                                               
new  production more  than four  to six  years out,  and that  is                                                               
where DOR  and DNR are  working to get  a more realistic  view of                                                               
what production is  going to be for the next  decade.  He allowed                                                               
that  the state's  error rate  historically  has been  big.   For                                                               
example, returning to  the Fiscal Year 2007 (FY  07) forecast for                                                               
the  current  fiscal year,  production  should  be about  685,000                                                               
barrels per day, which is off  by 130,000.  Steps are being taken                                                               
to correct the  problems in the old way of  making projections so                                                               
that  policymakers  will  have  reasonable  information  to  make                                                               
reasonable decisions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:39:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE recalled that  the discrepancy between predictions                                                               
and the result came as a  major concern to the committee, and was                                                               
a  topic  of  debate  on  a previous  bill.    Although  DOR  has                                                               
reportedly  revamped  its  system,   he  asked  whether  the  new                                                               
forecasting  methods have  been tested  and if  assurance can  be                                                               
offered that the new method provides better accuracy.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH offered  his understanding that testing was  done in a                                                               
double-blind manner.   One method was  conducted using statistics                                                               
for  estimation and  analysis to  compare  with historical  data.                                                               
The second method was based  on technical information provided by                                                               
reservoir engineers to  form projections and for  risking out the                                                               
likelihood of  new production coming  in.  He reported  that when                                                               
those two methods were brought  together there was a considerable                                                               
overlap  in the  forecast  for the  ensuing  decade.   Confidence                                                               
levels  were bolstered  by the  outcome  of the  testing, as  the                                                               
blind spots  that might cause  projections to be off  appeared to                                                               
be  absent.   Feedback  of  the  methodology has  been  positive;                                                               
however, there  are some  naysayers who  consider the  outcome of                                                               
the testing as overly optimistic.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:41:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  inquired as to  whether the past  history of                                                               
the Prudhoe  Bay field, for  example, indicates that  the decline                                                               
curve is starting to flatten out or steepen.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  responded that the  slope of the curve,  depending on                                                               
how it is measured, can vary  wildly from month to month, quarter                                                               
to quarter and year to year.   Seasonal variances are inherent in                                                               
the productive  efficiency of the facilities,  causing big swings                                                               
from  summer to  winter data.   For  comparing on  a year-to-year                                                               
basis, he  opined that  the annual barrels  produced data  is the                                                               
best  method  to  employ  as it  eliminates  the  possibility  of                                                               
certain factors coming into play,  such as seasonal differentials                                                               
and maintenance  periods.   The degree to  which that  decline is                                                               
accelerating or  decelerating does  not seem to  have a  hard and                                                               
fast rule; it is a function of the activity in the field.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:43:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked about current shale  exploration and                                                               
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN first  returned  to Representative  Tuck's                                                               
last question and  offered to have the department  team meet with                                                               
committee members to review the  current methodology.  He said it                                                               
is a  more responsible means for  projection purposes, especially                                                               
considering the  inaccuracy of the  past method.   Ultimately, he                                                               
continued, interest for  debate should focus on the  slope of the                                                               
rise or increasing curve rather than how low it can go.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN,  then addressed  Representative  Seaton's                                                               
question, saying  that the department  plans to stay in  front of                                                               
the shale  development.  Consideration  has been taken  to ensure                                                               
that  policy and  regulations  are in  place  to encourage  shale                                                               
development, and  it has  been the topic  at conferences.   Great                                                               
Bear  is the  main  leaseholder  in the  area,  but marketing  to                                                               
private investment  groups and banks  to pitch  the opportunities                                                               
in Alaska  is ongoing.   For further specifics on  shale activity                                                               
he deferred to Mr. Balash.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:46:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  added that Great Bear  was able to take  advantage of                                                               
the seasonal exploration  season on the North  Slope and obtained                                                               
a rig  for summer use.   Their play is located  close to existing                                                               
infrastructure, which allowed for drilling  without use of an ice                                                               
pad  or ice  road.    Two wells  were  drilled  and core  samples                                                               
obtained for laboratory analysis.   However, neither location was                                                               
able   to  achieve   a  flow   test;   critically  important   to                                                               
understanding the  productive capacity  of the rocks  for initial                                                               
production, as well as the  decline rate.  Initial production and                                                               
decline  rate  data are  necessary  for  understanding whether  a                                                               
shale play  on the North Slope  can work.  Costs  for development                                                               
in Alaska  are much higher  than in  other locales.   However, he                                                               
opined  that the  tests will  reveal the  rocks in  Alaska to  be                                                               
superior to those in other areas.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:48:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  surmised   that  shale  development  flow                                                               
testing  requires accompanying  hydraulic fracturing.   He  asked                                                               
about  the timing  involved, when  considering  a potential  flow                                                               
test, and  suggested that  one hold-up may  be the  necessity for                                                               
road  access, pads,  and gravel  structures.   He  asked what  is                                                               
transpiring in  the way  of planning  or legislative  requests to                                                               
bring  about  the  necessary policies  and  road  development  to                                                               
support shale exploration.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  replied that the  specific plans that Great  Bear and                                                               
its  partners have  been working  around  include shortening  the                                                               
amount of  time in which  it takes  them to answer  the question,                                                               
"can this work  ... profitably?"  The plan of  operations will be                                                               
reviewed when it  comes into the division.   However, nothing has                                                               
come in  recently to  provide specific  timing for  the projected                                                               
horizontal wells exploration.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:50:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked  about the road and  access needs and                                                               
how that  development is envisioned  to take place in  Alaska, if                                                               
the aforementioned shale exploration proves viable.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH said that he hopes  to speak with the Senate Resources                                                               
Standing Committee regarding funding in  the FY 14 budget to meet                                                               
financial requirements  necessary to  do additional  work in/with                                                               
the Division of  Oil and Gas, along with the  Division of Mining,                                                               
Land  and Water,  for areawide  planning in  order to  minimize a                                                               
"traffic jam in the permitting pipe."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN  interjected that Representative  Seaton is                                                               
identifying some important issues in  terms of year around access                                                               
and permitting to  make Alaska competitive.   From the geological                                                               
perspective, the  state is bullish,  he opined.  The  question is                                                               
whether the state  can compete with the costs.   Great Bear is an                                                               
example  of  one  company  that  may  realize  benefits  and  the                                                               
department is working  to get the word out to  inform people that                                                               
Alaska may  be the only  place in  the country where  an explorer                                                               
seeking   shale  can   also  bump   into  significant   pools  of                                                               
conventional [oil].                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:53:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  recalled  that   the  Alaska  Oil  and  Gas                                                               
Conservation Commission  (AOGCC) has issued  fracking regulations                                                               
and  asked whether  there  is a  relationship  between these  two                                                               
topics.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH confirmed that in  November [2012] the AOGCC published                                                               
regulations regarding  fracking in  an effort to  be in  front of                                                               
some of the  issues that have confronted other  states.  However,                                                               
he pointed out  that the North Slope has  had fracking operations                                                               
for  over 40  years.    The commission  is  engaged  in a  public                                                               
process, and the  comment deadline has been extended.   The AOGCC                                                               
is an independent agency, he noted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:55:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH, returning to  Representative Seaton's question, noted                                                               
that in  regard to  the primacy of  wetlands, any  development of                                                               
new fields  is going to  require 404  permits from the  U.S. Army                                                               
Corps of Engineers.  The state  is working to obtain purview over                                                               
some of these permits.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE  suggested such an  action could save  the federal                                                               
government some money.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OLSON pointed out that  the list of new players on                                                               
slide 19 does not include Escopeta/Fury.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALASH   explained  that,  shortly  after   the  Cook  Inlet                                                               
stampede, Buccaneer  became Escopeda/Fury and the  absence of its                                                               
name is strictly an oversight.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:58:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN  complimented Mr.  Barron and his  team for                                                               
leveraging the  state's ability to bring  about drilling activity                                                               
through lease negotiations and unit applications.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN,  addressing Representative  Tuck's earlier                                                               
question,  pointed out  that  a year  ago  the producers  weren't                                                               
aligned with  regard to a gas  project [slide 21].   In fact, the                                                               
producers were not  even talking.  Exxon and  TransCanada had yet                                                               
to  look toward  Asia  where [the  department]  thought the  real                                                               
market was and ConocoPhillips and  BP had recently folded Denali.                                                               
However, on a positive note,  the five benchmarks outlined in the                                                               
governor's roadmap  to the gasline  were met.  Although  there is                                                               
still a  long way  to go,  it is  hard to  deny the  progress, he                                                               
opined.   He characterized  alignment as  an important  aspect of                                                               
projects.    Although  he  acknowledged   that  it  is  certainly                                                               
possible  to have  a  gas line  without  alignment, alignment  is                                                               
important.     After  a  meeting   with  the  CEOs   from  Exxon,                                                               
ConocoPhillips, and BP  in the first quarter of  last year, there                                                               
was alignment and  focus on an LNG project.   As mentioned in the                                                               
letter  presented on  slide  22, the  Point  Thomson dispute  was                                                               
resolved.    He then  directed  attention  to  the map  of  Point                                                               
Thomson [slide  23], and highlighted  that the  infrastructure on                                                               
the North  Slope ends at  the eastern end  of the North  Slope at                                                               
Badami.   This is despite the  knowledge that the eastern  end of                                                               
the North Slope, Point Thomson  and surrounding areas, is an area                                                               
with  a  very  prolific  amount of  hydrocarbons.    Commissioner                                                               
Sullivan opined  that this  area is  a strategic  development and                                                               
investment  for the  state  for a  number  of reasons,  including                                                               
opening  up the  eastern North  Slope to  hydrocarbon production.                                                               
As part of the settlement, Exxon  is building a 70,000 barrel per                                                               
day  common   carrier  pipeline.    Therefore,   small  companies                                                               
exploring in that  part of the North Slope that  find liquids can                                                               
access that  pipeline, whereas previously it  would have required                                                               
a very large  company to develop the infrastructure  to get those                                                               
liquids  into  TAPS.    He  opined that  such  a  common  carrier                                                               
pipeline will strategically open up  that part of the North Slope                                                               
for oil development,  in particular.   Point Thomson  is a multi-                                                               
billion   dollar  project   and  more   importantly,  significant                                                               
elements of the Point Thomson  infrastructure can be used for gas                                                               
commercialization  [slide  24].   Having  pre-investment  to  gas                                                               
while companies  are spending multiple  billions on  this project                                                               
will  be important  in terms  of  forwarding the  gas project  as                                                               
well.   Commissioner  Sullivan emphasized  that the  other reason                                                               
the  Point Thomson  project  is such  a  strategic investment  is                                                               
jobs.   The initial phase  of development is estimated  to create                                                               
600-700 jobs and possibly peak beyond  2,000 jobs.  He offered to                                                               
brief  the  committee  in  more   detail  regarding  the  various                                                               
subcontractors  that  are  now  working.    With  regard  to  the                                                               
settlement, since the last legislative  session the Point Thomson                                                               
project went  through the following  three phases  of development                                                               
in which the department and  others were explaining and defending                                                               
the  settlement,  permitting, and  getting  to  work.   In  fact,                                                               
construction  began  this  winter   season.    He  then  directed                                                               
attention to  an excerpt of  an article from the  Financial Times                                                             
of  London  regarding the  progress  made  in the  first  quarter                                                               
[slide 26].                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:06:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN,   referring  to  the  letters   from  the                                                               
producers  and TransCanada,  highlighted that  the third  quarter                                                               
benchmarks laid out  by the governor in his "State  of the State"                                                               
address were  met [slide 27].   In fact, the announcement  of the                                                               
third  quarter  progress  stirred  significant  press,  including                                                               
articles  in the  Wall  Street  Journal and  The  Globe and  Mail                                                           
[slide 28].   The Globe and Mail article  highlights that Western                                                             
Canada,  which Alaska  views as  one of  the biggest  competitors                                                               
with  regard  to  a  large-scale LNG  project,  is  noticing  and                                                               
perhaps a bit  nervous.  Alaska has to recognize  how much it has                                                               
to compete, he said.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:06:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN  specified  that   the  letters  from  the                                                               
producers discussed an integrated  team [approach] in which about                                                               
200 people are  working and tens of millions of  dollars is being                                                               
spent [slide 29].  He  acknowledged that there is much skepticism                                                               
in the  state, some of which  may be warranted given  the 40-year                                                               
history of  trying to  commercialize North  Slope gas.   However,                                                               
after  receiving briefings  from  the companies  there is  little                                                               
doubt in the  work these companies are doing.   As the flow chart                                                               
on slide  29 relates,  Exxon is  in the lead,  BP is  working the                                                               
upstream  issues,  TransCanada  and  Exxon  are  working  in  the                                                               
midstream, and  ConocoPhillips is working the  downstream issues.                                                               
He reminded the committee that the  governor, in his State of the                                                               
State address,  requested hardening  the numbers within  a month.                                                               
The  governor  wants  more  detailed   numbers  than  the  ranges                                                               
specified on slide  30.  Even [with the existing  numbers], it is                                                               
apparent that  this would be one  of the largest LNG  projects in                                                               
the  world.    Combined  with the  state's  massive  North  Slope                                                               
resources, "we think that that's  pretty ... important," he said.                                                               
He  then  addressed  the  timeline/work   plan  provided  by  the                                                               
companies  [slide 31].   He  informed the  committee that  he has                                                               
told  the companies  that although  the timeline/work  plan looks                                                               
good, he has  told the companies they need to  work to accelerate                                                               
the timeline.   The governor did so  as well in his  State of the                                                               
State address.   He acknowledged that the  alignment is critical,                                                               
but the project needs to  continue to move forward.  Commissioner                                                               
Sullivan encouraged the committee  members, in their meeting with                                                               
the companies, to  request that the timeline be  accelerated.  He                                                               
then turned  to the work  and consolidation efforts  the governor                                                               
has  envisioned with  AGDC.   Over  the course  of  the last  few                                                               
years, the Alaska  Pipeline Project (APP) has  made progress with                                                               
alignment  in  regard  to  upstream   producers.    The  upstream                                                               
producers  are  the  leaseholders   and  [the  upstream]  is  the                                                               
location of  the gas  supply and where  the technical  work lays.                                                               
Although the work  with the AGDC has made progress  over the last                                                               
years,  its work  has primarily  been with  regulatory, right-of-                                                               
way,   and  environmental   impact  study   (EIS)  areas.     The                                                               
aforementioned illustrates  the necessary  parallel work  that is                                                               
occurring.  The governor, he  related, is reviewing ways in which                                                               
to integrate those efforts.   Although there has been progress in                                                               
terms  of  the  governor's  2012  benchmarks,  the  governor  has                                                               
expressed the need to accelerate  the momentum.  He then recalled                                                               
the   Meet  Alaska/Alliance   Conference  during   which  a   top                                                               
ConocoPhillips  official mentioned  a sanction  date sometime  in                                                               
2015.   The sanction date  should be  focused on because  that is                                                               
when the decision to move forward  is made.  As the process moves                                                               
through the  different stage  gates, there  is more  spending and                                                               
more  people working  on  it,  which he  opined  is necessary  to                                                               
continue to accelerate [the process].                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:11:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN  expressed hope that the  committee feels a                                                               
sense of optimism from this  discussion[slide 32].  Over the past                                                               
year,  the  department  has  sought  out  different  markets  and                                                               
potential buyers to discuss the  comparative advantages of Alaska                                                               
gas to  other countries.   Clearly,  there is  demand for  gas in                                                               
Asia, but  it is anyone's guess  as to how long  that window will                                                               
be open.   He  expressed the importance  of relating  how focused                                                               
the  state is  and  that there  are two  efforts.   Slides  32-40                                                               
relate the  comparative advantages the department  discussed with                                                               
various entities.   The comparative advantages, include:   a huge                                                               
resource base, which means practically zero resource risk; co-                                                                  
location  with  existing  infrastructure,   which  results  in  a                                                               
limited   environmental   impact;   and  a   strong   record   of                                                               
reliability,  which   he  attributed  to   ConocoPhillips'  work.                                                               
Although many  do not  know, Alaska  is the  only place  in North                                                               
America that has been exporting LNG  to Japan for 40 years [slide                                                               
34].   With  regard to  reliability, he  highlighted that  Alaska                                                               
does not  use its gas  supplies for political purposes  as Russia                                                               
does.  He  then directed attention to  the comparative advantages                                                               
due to geographic proximity  and political/legal stability [slide                                                               
35].     He  pointed   out  cost   estimates  price   Alaska  gas                                                               
competitively with almost  any other project in  the world [slide                                                               
36].  Furthermore, Alaska already  has world class businesses and                                                               
great support services  working in Alaska [slide 37].   In noting                                                               
the  comparative  advantages  related   to  export  licenses  and                                                               
regulatory progress, he pointed  out that Western Canada projects                                                               
have not resolved its First  Nation and Native land claim issues,                                                               
which are  large issues that  could take  a long time  to resolve                                                               
[slide 38].   However, such issues have been  resolved in Alaska.                                                               
Although Alaska's previous receipt  of export permission from the                                                               
federal  government  is  somewhat controversial  with  regard  to                                                               
export licenses from the Lower 48,  he opined that Alaska is well                                                               
positioned on additional permitting  and export licenses relative                                                               
to other projects.  In  fact, the Presidential Finding of January                                                               
12, 1988,  found that  exporting large  quantities of  Alaska gas                                                               
would not have a  negative impact on prices in the  U.S.  He then                                                               
highlighted the upstream investment opportunities [slide 40].                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:15:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN  directed attention to  Alaska's advantages                                                               
over  other potential  competitors [slides  41-42].   "Certainly,                                                               
from the  perspective here, we think  we're back on the  map," he                                                               
related.   In fact,  [the department] was  invited to  present at                                                               
the  LNG  Producer  Consumer Conference  that  included  all  the                                                               
ministers  from  all  the main  producing  countries,  companies,                                                               
buyers, sellers,  and government  agencies.   At the  outset, the                                                               
senior   Japanese  officials   who   introduced  the   conference                                                               
highlighted  the Qatar  delegation  as Qatar  is  the number  one                                                               
supplier  of LNG  in  the  world and  assisted  Japan during  the                                                               
Fukushima  disaster  when  gas was  needed  quickly  because  the                                                               
nuclear facilities  were shut  down.   The only  other delegation                                                               
highlighted at the outset was  the Alaska delegation.  Alaska was                                                               
lauded for  being Japan's longest  standing supplier as it  was a                                                               
pioneer in  exporting LNG to  Asia.  The Japanese  officials said                                                               
they looked forward  to new levels of  cooperation and commercial                                                               
arrangements   between   Alaska   and  Japan.      Although   the                                                               
aforementioned demonstrates  Alaska is "back on  the map," Alaska                                                               
must  realize it  is competing  in an  area where  there will  be                                                               
steep competition.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:18:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  inquired  as  to the  process  required  to                                                               
obtain a long-term export license for natural gas.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN explained  that the  export license  would                                                               
come from  the U.S. Department  of Energy (DOE).   Currently, the                                                               
ConocoPhillips plant in Cook Inlet has  a DOE export license.  He                                                               
then  turned to  the controversy  in the  Lower 48  regarding how                                                               
much and  to what degree  exports of  gas should be  allowed from                                                               
the Lower 48 shale  plays.  This is a big  issue because in areas                                                               
such as  Ohio and  Pennsylvania the  huge increase  in production                                                               
has  ignited   a  manufacturing   Renaissance  such   that  steel                                                               
factories  are coming  on  line and  chemical  factories are  now                                                               
returning  to  the U.S.  because  of  the availability  of  large                                                               
amounts  of  gas at  low  costs.    Yet,  there is  concern  that                                                               
exporting too  much will result  in an  increase in prices  and a                                                               
decrease  in volumes.   Over  the course  of the  past year,  the                                                               
department  has been  meeting with  federal  agencies to  explain                                                               
that  Alaska  should not  be  included  in  the Lower  48  debate                                                               
regarding export licenses because if  Alaska were to have a large                                                               
scale LNG project,  volumes to Alaskans will  increase and prices                                                               
to  Alaskans,  its  military,  and  perhaps  to  Hawaiians  would                                                               
decrease.    Therefore,  Commissioner Sullivan  opined  that  the                                                               
regulatory risk in  terms of obtaining an export  license is much                                                               
less  than  it would  be  for  the Lower  48  and  that has  been                                                               
highlighted   with  key   members  of   Congress  and   potential                                                               
customers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:21:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  related his understanding that  obtaining an                                                               
export lease  and the inability  to obtain long-term  leases have                                                               
been hurdles to selling gas to Japan.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALASH  responded that  the  nature  of  the LNG  trade  and                                                               
business  is  fundamentally  different  than that  in  the  North                                                               
American marketplace.   The LNG  business is all  about contracts                                                               
and the  contracts are  different than  those associated  with an                                                               
over-land  pipeline.   In  the North  America  context, the  main                                                               
concern was  with shipping contracts that  is firm transportation                                                               
(FT) agreements between a shipper and  a pipeline.  However, in a                                                               
LNG case one  must make sure there are arrangements  in place all                                                               
the  way from  the well  bore  to the  burner tip  of the  market                                                               
destination.   Mr. Balash said  that Representative Tuck  had hit                                                               
on something  important, the ability  to off  long-term contracts                                                               
and firm  contracts that  are not interrupted.   For  example, in                                                               
the  winter of  2010-2011, ConocoPhillips  announced that  it was                                                               
going to  close the Nikiski  plant, which  was due to  the market                                                               
dynamic.  The  market dynamic was such  that short-term spot-type                                                               
cargos were  selling at  a price  significantly lower  than those                                                               
under long-term  contracts.   However, in  the wake  of Fukushima                                                               
the spot  price in Asian  markets, Japan in particular,  rose and                                                               
made the business  of moving gas on spot  pricing more attractive                                                               
than in the past.  In fact,  it was attractive enough to keep the                                                               
[Nikiski] plant  operating.  In  the long term, those  prices are                                                               
not likely  to remain higher  than long-term contracts.   Alaska,                                                               
with excess  of 30 trillion cubic  feet (tcf) of reserves  in the                                                               
ground in the North  Slope, has a volume of gas  that can be used                                                               
to assure  buyers of a very  long and firm commitment  of supply,                                                               
which is  a tremendous advantage  over numerous competitors.   In                                                               
response to Co-Chair Feige, Mr.  Balash confirmed that Alaska can                                                               
guarantee that supply without short changing Alaskans.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:25:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  inquired  as  to  whether  DNR  has  been                                                               
exploring  the production  of low-sulfur  diesel from  Alaska gas                                                               
for sale and include the shipping.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN, referring  to the  governor's principles,                                                               
clarified that  the idea is large  volumes for export as  well as                                                               
significant volumes  to Alaskans and  to Alaskans first  and then                                                               
export.  He  then recalled the initial design,  concept, and work                                                               
plan in which the state  off-take would be 300-350 thousand cubic                                                               
feet  (mcf) per  day  on  this project  while  the current  state                                                               
demand  is about  250 [mcf].   From  DNR's perspective,  Alaskans                                                               
receiving gas from  Alaska is important for use as  well as other                                                               
value-added  industry opportunities.    In  specific response  to                                                               
Representative  Seaton, Commissioner  Sullivan said  that he  did                                                               
not go  into that  level of  detail in  terms of  potential other                                                               
uses  or  value-added within  the  state.    With regard  to  gas                                                               
commercialization, he said  he forgot to mention that  one of the                                                               
positive  outcomes   of  the  aforementioned  outreach   is  that                                                               
interested parties are  presenting in Alaska.   For instance, the                                                               
chairman,  chief executive  officer  of Korea  Gas,  and its  LNG                                                               
purchasing team were in Juneau about  a month ago.  Very fruitful                                                               
discussions  were  held,  he  said.     Furthermore,  a  Japanese                                                               
consortium, REI,  has opened  offices in  Anchorage.   Of course,                                                               
the aforementioned is being encouraged.   Over the past year, DNR                                                               
has  tried  to  align  stakeholder   interest  as  that  lack  of                                                               
alignment  seems   to  have  created  problems   when  trying  to                                                               
commercialize  the gas.   However,  if that  alignment cannot  be                                                               
achieved, there  is the ability  to move forward with  or without                                                               
partners.   Again,  Commissioner  Sullivan  opined although  good                                                               
strides have been made,  there is a fair amount left  to do.  The                                                               
hope is  that meeting the  governor's benchmarks within  the next                                                               
month will result in progress.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:30:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK,  noting  that  there  have  not  been  many                                                               
reports from  TransCanada over  the past  couple of  years, asked                                                               
whether  TransCanada is  part of  the negotiations  and contracts                                                               
with the discussions with Japan.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN informed  the  committee that  TransCanada                                                               
held  a  solicitation of  interest,  which  was required  by  the                                                               
state.   In  terms  of  the specific  marketing  in Asia,  that's                                                               
typically  performed  by  the  producers   on  a  private  sector                                                               
project.   He further  informed the committee  that the  state is                                                               
talking  to  potential  buyers and  governments  urging  them  to                                                               
diversify their supply sources and consider buying Alaska gas.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:32:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  inquired as  to  the  length of  time  that                                                               
should  be considered  for the  licenses in  order to  obtain the                                                               
best value for the state.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH began  by pointing out that the contracts  that is the                                                               
purchase and  sale agreements between  buyers and sellers  of LNG                                                               
vary.     Alaska  offers  the  opportunity   for  very  long-term                                                               
contracts.  He  highlighted that contracts are now seen  as a bit                                                               
of a  precursor to  authorizations for  export licenses  that are                                                               
issued by  the U.S.  Department of Energy  (DOE).   Recently, the                                                               
DOE has  taken a  harder look  at whether  an applicant  has gas,                                                               
contracts, or both  before granting an export license.   He noted                                                               
that one  cannot sell LNG to  very many places without  an export                                                               
license, and  therefore there are  some steps being taken  from a                                                               
regulatory perspective that the state  needs to be mindful of and                                                               
careful of in order  to ensure the state does not  get stuck in a                                                               
bureaucratic process as this project moves forward.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:34:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK asked what the  governor would like to see in                                                               
the concept he wants by February 15.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN  informed the committee that  the companies                                                               
go through a process called  concept selection, during which they                                                               
do  the engineering  and review  all the  details of  the project                                                               
[slide 31].   The companies then proceed  through the stage-gated                                                               
process to the Pre-Front End  Engineering and Design and continue                                                               
forward.  As the slide  illustrates, as the process moves forward                                                               
the   spend  level   on  the   private   sector  side   increases                                                               
dramatically.  The  aforementioned is preferable as  the more the                                                               
private sector  spends, the more  likely [the project]  will take                                                               
hold.   Commissioner Sullivan related  that there  is frustration                                                               
that  the concept  selection work  has not  been finalized.   The                                                               
governor  wants  to  have  numbers, not  ranges,  on  a  specific                                                               
project.   Therefore,  in  the  State of  the  State address  the                                                               
governor laid  out some fairly  specific details on  the capacity                                                               
of the  plan, the  size pipe,  the size of  the volumes,  and the                                                               
location of  the gas treatment  plant.  Once that  information is                                                               
available, then  the project  can move into  the next  phase with                                                               
the commercial agreement in order  to ensure that a summer season                                                               
is not lost.   He acknowledged that the  aforementioned is coming                                                               
up rapidly, but  the deadlines help in terms of  being an "action                                                               
forcing event."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:37:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE  asked if making  public the concept  includes the                                                               
location of the terminal.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN  answered that  given the  sensitivities of                                                               
that the governor did not include  that in his State of the State                                                               
address, but the hope is that it will available soon.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:38:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON asked  if it is  known whether  the LNG                                                               
plant will  be located  on the  North Slope  and [staff]  will be                                                               
transported to work or elsewhere.   She expressed interest in the                                                               
cost  of transportation.   She  further asked  if that's  what is                                                               
being worked on now.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN replied  yes,  the key  issue  is the  gas                                                               
treatment  facility.    He acknowledged  that  Representative  P.                                                               
Wilson is correct in that the  location of the plant could reduce                                                               
costs in  terms of where workers  are located, but it  would also                                                               
be transporting large  amounts of H2S through the  state and off-                                                               
take points would need a way  to clean the gas.  Therefore, there                                                               
are pros and cons.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:39:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN, returning to  his presentation [slide 43],                                                               
stated that there  has been a lot of progress  with strategic and                                                               
critical minerals  in the mining  sector.   A little over  a year                                                               
ago,  the   governor  laid  out   the  strategy  the   state  has                                                               
undertaken,  with strong  legislative support.   The  legislature                                                               
funded a little under $3 million  for a statewide assessment.  He                                                               
highlighted that other  elements [with regard to  mining] are not                                                               
dissimilar to  the strategy on  oil, whether it is  permitting or                                                               
marketing the state.  In the  past year, there has been continued                                                               
economic  value in  terms of  the  producing mines  in Alaska  of                                                               
which there are only seven large-scale  mines [slide 44].  As the                                                               
slide  relates,  the mines  are  producing  significant value  in                                                               
terms of  Alaska's total exports.   It is also important  to know                                                               
that mines  are a huge  job engine,  in terms of  construction as                                                               
well as the operation.   From a visit to Fort  Knox mine a couple                                                               
of  years ago,  he  recalled that  there was  an  average of  700                                                               
workers with an  average wage of $100,000.   Such operations have                                                               
enormous  impacts not  only for  jobs but  also for  economic and                                                               
social wellbeing,  which is important to  keep in mind.   He then                                                               
pointed out that it  is the second year in a  row that about one-                                                               
third  of  the  total  U.S. exploration  investment  occurred  in                                                               
Alaska  [slide 45].    The  aforementioned is  the  result of  30                                                               
exploration projects,  not just the  Pebble Mine that  spent over                                                               
$1 million in  2011.  The issue  is that the Pebble  Mine has not                                                               
yet  moved into  the permitting  phase  with DNR  or the  federal                                                               
government.   However,  since the  legislature  last met,  Donlin                                                               
Creek Gold Mine has moved into the permitting phase.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:43:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN then  highlighted that  the second  annual                                                               
"Alaska  Strategic  &  Critical  Minerals  Summit"  was  held  in                                                               
Fairbanks on November 30, 2012  [slides 46-47].  During the first                                                               
summit, the  governor laid out  the statewide strategy to  a huge                                                               
turnout  of  folks  and  the   process  received  very  favorable                                                               
national press coverage.  The  2012 summit was more about putting                                                               
together  partners, whether  they  are  investors, companies,  or                                                               
private industry [slide 47].   In fact, a representative from the                                                               
Japan Oil, Gas and Metals  National Corporation (JOGMEC), this is                                                               
similar  to   the  Alaska   Industrial  Development   and  Export                                                               
Authority  (AIDEA)  except that  it  has  a $45  billion  balance                                                               
sheet, attended and spoke at the  summit.  The summit, he opined,                                                               
drew a  lot of  attendees and it  will continue to  be held.   He                                                               
further opined that  it is just scratching the surface.   He then                                                               
directed  attention to  the agenda  from the  November 30,  2012,                                                               
summit from which there was a very positive outcome [slide 48].                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:45:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  recalled that  she went  to the  first                                                               
summit and she was very  impressed.  Therefore, she expressed her                                                               
regret at being unable to attend the second summit.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN  said  the  credit goes  to  Mr.  Swenson,                                                               
Elizabeth Blooming,  the university, and  many others as  well as                                                               
the great presenters.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:45:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  inquired as  to the anticipated  impact of                                                               
the international treaty on the  prohibition on mining mercury or                                                               
use of  it in  industrial mining  in terms of  Donlin Creek.   He                                                               
further inquired  as to whether alternative  methods for recovery                                                               
had been developed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN said he didn't know the answer.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ED  FOGELS,  Deputy  Commissioner, Office  of  the  Commissioner,                                                               
Department of Natural  Resources (DNR), said that he  is not very                                                               
familiar   with   that  treaty.      However,   he  offered   his                                                               
understanding that Donlin Creek will  not be using mercury in its                                                               
processing, although there  will be issues of mercury  in the ore                                                               
that will  have to  be addressed in  the permitting  process, the                                                               
EIS, and  federal and state  regulations.  He further  offered to                                                               
review  the treaty  and inform  the  committee if  there are  any                                                               
other ramifications.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  related  his  understanding  that  Donlin                                                               
Creek was going to use a cyanide process.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOGELS clarified that to  his knowledge Donlin Creek will not                                                               
be  using cyanide  either but  rather will  roast its  ore, which                                                               
oxidizes it, and will use  various other procedures to obtain the                                                               
gold.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:47:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN remarked  that  the state  has had  issues                                                               
with regard to making the  state's permitting system more timely,                                                               
efficient, and certain [slide 49].   He acknowledged that DNR has                                                               
had issues  as the  committee is likely  familiar with  the 2,500                                                               
backlogged permits.   However, he  emphasized that  good progress                                                               
has  been made  in terms  of reducing  almost 40  percent of  the                                                               
backlog  while continuing  to receive  new permits  and revamping                                                               
the system.   Brent Goodrum,  Director, Division of  Mining, Land                                                               
and Water, and  his team have done  a good job and  are aiming to                                                               
have no  backlog within three  years.  He reminded  the committee                                                               
that  last   legislative  session,   the  department   made  some                                                               
statutory changes  that helped with  regard to  permitting issues                                                               
and recently the  governor introduced a number of  other areas he                                                               
believes are important  to address.  Although the idea  is not to                                                               
cut corners  on environmental  protection because  the department                                                               
takes  great  pride  in  how   well  the  state  has  responsibly                                                               
developed its resources, it should not  take 20 years to permit a                                                               
mine, he said.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:49:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FEIGE  recalled  that  a   couple  of  years  ago,  the                                                               
legislature appropriated to the Division  of Mining, Land & Water                                                               
extra funding and positions to  address the backlog.  He inquired                                                               
as to when  the department anticipates that it  will complete the                                                               
backlog and be caught up.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN responded  that the  goal was  to have  it                                                               
done  in three  years  from  when [the  cleanup  of the  backlog]                                                               
started,  which means  the division  has about  a-year-and-a-half                                                               
left.    He  expressed  the  department's  appreciation  for  the                                                               
legislature's  strong bipartisan  support through  the additional                                                               
funding to  hire additional  staff and  fill vacant  positions in                                                               
the division  [slide 50].   All the staff allocated  through that                                                               
funding has  been hired  and are  being trained  and there  is an                                                               
impact.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:51:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON asked  then whether the  division would                                                               
be able to handle what's coming after the backlog is done.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN replied yes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE questioned whether there will be any surplus.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN  remarked  that the  department  has  been                                                               
frustrated  with the  federal government  regarding  a number  of                                                               
permitting  issues  that  overlap.   Point  Thomson  is  a  great                                                               
example.    Although   Point  Thomson  is  on   state  land,  the                                                               
permitting  delays were  caused  by the  federal government,  but                                                               
cost the state.  He reminded  the committee that the state had an                                                               
agreement with  Exxon to have  Point Thomson producing  two years                                                               
from this winter, but that had to  be pushed back due to the lost                                                               
season.  He  informed the committee that the  department has been                                                               
working closely  with the  U.S. Army Corps  of Engineers  and has                                                               
offered to provide them help when they  need it.  Cook Inlet is a                                                               
good  example, he  stated, because  many times  the problem  with                                                               
permitting is not  the state slowing things down,  but rather the                                                               
federal  government.     Commissioner  Sullivan  said   that  the                                                               
department is working hard to  maintain the relationship with the                                                               
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers as  it is sometimes difficult to get                                                               
the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers moving expeditiously.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOGELS added that if all  goes as planned the backlog will be                                                               
knocked off  in a  year-and-a-half.   The division  has a  lot of                                                               
excess capacity,  which the division  plans to use to  reduce the                                                               
processing time  further.  The  aforementioned might  be achieved                                                               
by using the OPMP model.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOGELS then corrected his  earlier response to Representative                                                               
Seaton by  specifying that Donlin  Creek does use cyanide  in its                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:53:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN,  in response to Representative  P. Wilson,                                                               
specified that  Colonel LaStoke (ph)  is the [U.S. Army  Corps of                                                               
Engineers] district  engineer for Alaska.   He noted that  he was                                                               
very helpful with the Point Thomson permitting.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:54:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OLSON,  returning to  the backlog, inquired  as to                                                               
how the  platform abandonments are  coming along.  Will  those be                                                               
completed by the end of session, he asked.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALASH responded  that drafting  and  reviews are  underway.                                                               
Although  a team  is  working on  the  platform abandonments,  he                                                               
opined that he is reluctant to commit to a date certain.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OLSON recalled that it has been about five years.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:55:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN, returning  to his  presentation, directed                                                               
attention  to  some  of  the  other  efforts  the  department  is                                                               
focusing on to  create efficiencies [slide 52].   This focus goes                                                               
beyond  the department  as it  is  a statewide  effort to  create                                                               
efficiencies with permitting.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN pointed out  that wherever [the department]                                                               
has discussed  how the state  has been promoting  opportunity and                                                               
targeting  potential  companies  to  enter Alaska,  it  has  also                                                               
highlighted related  the importance  of meeting the  state's very                                                               
high environmental standards and  the need for companies entering                                                               
Alaska  to  uphold that  [slides  53-54].   The  department  also                                                               
highlights that  the state has  been a laboratory  for innovation                                                               
in  different  areas  of  resource  development.    Many  of  the                                                               
innovations  through  the  country  and  world  that  shrink  the                                                               
footprint of  exploration while increasing  the ability  and area                                                               
underneath the ground to access  hydrocarbons have been developed                                                               
in Alaska  [slide 55].   As an example,  one only has  to compare                                                               
the  footprint size  of  Prudhoe  Bay versus  that  of Alpine  or                                                               
Liberty;  the   surface  to  underground  surface   developed  is                                                               
dramatic.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:57:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SULLIVAN  then  turned   to  the  2013  legislative                                                               
session and beyond and said  that the department believes oil tax                                                               
reforms are critical to the state's  efforts [slide 57].  Per the                                                               
International Energy Agency, the U.S.  is ranked to be the number                                                               
one oil and gas producer in  the world by 2020.  He characterized                                                               
the aforementioned  as amazing.   Commissioner  Sullivan stressed                                                               
that Alaska  needs to be  part of that  effort, not an  anchor on                                                               
that effort.   The  department has worked  hard to  implement its                                                               
comprehensive strategy,  but tax reform remains  key to achieving                                                               
it.  Companies  continually point out that although  Alaska has a                                                               
tremendous resource base, its costs  are too high, which inhibits                                                               
investment.   He  then  highlighted the  core  principles of  tax                                                               
reform  listed on  slide  57 and  the  governor and  department's                                                               
belief  that   the  status   quo  is   unfair  to   Alaskans  and                                                               
unacceptable.   He  refuted the  "declinist  view" and  expressed                                                               
hope for an optimistic view.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:58:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN  moved on  to gas  commercialization, which                                                               
is one of the governor's new  benchmarks in 2013 [slide 58].  The                                                               
broader message  is the need to  stop fighting over the  gas line                                                               
and start  fighting for it.   He, again, highlighted  the efforts                                                               
with regard  to permitting  reform and promoting  the state.   He                                                               
noted  that  he  had  provided the  committee  [a  December  2012                                                               
special report  entitled "Alaska,  Envisioning a Bright  New Era"                                                               
produced by Star Communications for  distribution with the] Oil &                                                             
Gas  Journal,   which  30,000  CEOs  receive.     In  conclusion,                                                             
Commissioner  Sullivan opined  that although  there is  a lot  of                                                               
work to be done,  there is a lot of cause  for optimism in moving                                                               
the state forward.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:00:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SADDLER  referred to  Article VIII  of the  Alaska State                                                               
Constitution,  which  addresses  the  maximum  use  of  resources                                                               
consistent with public  benefit.  He inquired as to  how the time                                                               
element factors into the determination  of whether the department                                                               
is managing the resources for the public benefit.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN  said the department views  maximum benefit                                                               
as a  broad declaration of  policy that includes both  short- and                                                               
long-term thinking, which  he likened to the view  of the current                                                               
oil tax  debate.   Whether it is  economic opportunity  driven by                                                               
resource   development,  access   to   the   state's  lands,   or                                                               
conservation, DNR  thinks the idea  of public interest  stated in                                                               
the  constitution is  important.   However,  it  also relates  to                                                               
using the  state's resources,  whether for  enjoyment or  for the                                                               
benefit of communities,  in a broader sense.  Again,  the Red Dog                                                               
Mine is a  great example of using the state's  resources for jobs                                                               
as  well as  social programs.   He  acknowledged the  controversy                                                               
last year  when DNR tried  to define  its mission more  along the                                                               
lines of the constitutional mandate  in a broad sense that covers                                                               
a number of generations.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:03:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON,  referring  to   slide  55,  related  his                                                               
understanding that the Liberty drill site has been sold.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN  said [the  inclusion of the  Liberty drill                                                               
site] was a mistake and DNR can  get back to the committee on the                                                               
matter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:03:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FEIGE recalled  that  two  years ago  one  of the  main                                                               
issues  brought  to  him was  the  attention  the  commissioner's                                                               
office  was  paying  to  agriculture.    He  then  commended  the                                                               
commissioner and his staff for  its attention to agriculture over                                                               
the past two years while also addressing oil and gas issues.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN thanked Mr.  Fogels and Ms. Havemeister for                                                               
their great work  in this regard.  The  agriculture committee has                                                               
been  contributing to  the state's  economy as  well as  the food                                                               
security  of Alaskans.   He  urged Alaskans  to purchase  Alaska-                                                               
grown products in  grocery stores and restaurants  as it benefits                                                               
everyone.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:06:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 3:06 p.m.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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